13 Aug 2013 test run – 3Steps method for working with nature – ideal groups able to work well
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Tues Aug 13, 2013 – Commons Cluster
3Step Process – training & trial run
Side Bar & Chat August 13, 2013
I. Agenda II. Background, III. Preparation,
IV. Meeting & Notepad, V. Resources,
- Step 1 – The features of some motivating ideal purpose you care about,
- Step 2 – Making observations on what's happening in the cultural/economic/natural environments that could affect the ideal and would need to be worked with.
- Step 3 – Possible ways to intervene and bring out that ideal, working with those environments.
- Step 4… Follow-up: working on the notes after the call, deciding what other ways this process might be used, and who else might want to try facilitating a trial session.
- Jessie Henshaw – I study natural cultures, environments and "things that grow" as systems, and work with the UN Commons Cluster and Commons Action Group
- LiSINKA Ulatowska. I am a lobbyist at the UN. I wonder whether we can't just go straight for the most difficult of all matters: How to live as human beings as an integral part of nature.Or is this much too ambitious.
- Rebecca Field. I work with the UN Commons Cluster Group and my interest is in building better human relations and bringing about conditions that open the possibility of human rights.
- rob, kai, wolfgang, myra by text
- Everyone contributes to decision making
- Dynamic multi-stakeholder partnerships
- The wealth of the commons used to heal the commons
- Getting the human rights we are owed
- Water security, cultural security, minimum quality of life guarantee
- How as a human species to live in harmony and as an integral part of nature.
- Organizational goals
- balance large tasks and doing good work
- learn to collaborate with other communities
- Initial Introductions
- Discussion on meeting process, volunteers to be note takers,
- Speak clearly and to the point, so lots of issues and perspectives can get raised
- Be actively working while listening, noting things to mention or adding variations to what others are
- Idillic times and experiences with lovers in the beauty of nature…
- Peace at Home – & the environ it is affected by and affects
- Destroying our envirion – & the many classic cases
- I am most moved by authentic connection which is of course not static but an ongoing process with its own sometimts hard to fathom rules and challenges. Yes, but also hard to narrow down what parts of the environment affect that.
- Getting the UN to focus on HOW to work with the environment and its competing systems, making good use of the wonderful ideals people have instead of getting stuck just advocating them, like "Occupy" also did.
- The 2 ideals I am interested in focusing on are using taxes to raise funds for social and sustainability needs and to get the incentives right for limiting humanities' impact on the natural environment; and focusing more on transitioning to fully sustainable practices and processes than on trying to just limit economic growth.
- The ideal that every action we take will not degrade the life of the seventh generation to come and that humanity will transition to living in harmony with nature and within the carrying capacity of the earth?
- The problem that I am trying to address in my work is how to get the myriad of different groups who are trying to do good things, to find ways for tehir efforts to support each other, to synergize. How can we achieve that various groups look around in their "neighborhood" so that what they do supports what others are doing?I think that this would be a great thing to work on since this goes to the heart of what we are doing. We might say that the fundamental problem that we have is fragmentalization (conflict etc). then how to build unity and synergy is really important.
- HAVING A GROUP WORK WELL
- I want to encourage us to deal with the ongoing conflicts/differences of opinion that have existed within our group because they have led to a lot of division and arguments about what policies we will or will not endorse and support, etc. This is why I specifically have brought them up.
- Have the group work well, and be effective.having a shared vision, speaking for ourselves and only speaking for the group when consensus is reached
- in the local or distant environments, economic, social, ecological, political, professional, commercial, climate or other major environmental systems
- both now and in the past,
- and how they are changing and interacting with others
- as they come to mind when listening to others are talking, or reflecting on your experiences
- The speed of change, makes the complexity of the issues unmanageable
- People who lack a spriit of appreciative inquiry, and focus on the limitations
- OK, then here is the question, what do we do when Jessie claims that the policies and approaches that others of us want to support won't work and doesn't seem willing to reconsider her understandings.
- There is a need for appreciative inquiry (on appreciative inquiry see http://appreciativeinquiry.case.edu/) – to listen to the truth of what somebody else is saying, and then to ask how we can build on that. Work we need to do is overwhelming. No one entity can do it. We can each do a part. So focus on the positive potential and make that bigger. Pointing to limitations creates defensiveness. Everyone is limited by their own experience and so their perspectives do not overlap and so they can not see the same thing. This makes agreement difficult.
- People feel wronged if other people do not agree and so they pull back from the process and feel powerless or the need to lord it over others.
- We come from different silos of thinking
- Peoples cultures and values are a way for people to feel secure as a part of our group. When the groups values (culture is called into question) we feel our survival (not just our ideas) are at stake.
- we do not have an accepted or agreed process for how we will make decisions when there are differing opinions on strategies, policies, recommendations etc or even who has the authority to make such decisions when the groups that are working on or discussing things continue to change
- Differenet methodologies are suitable for different groups and situations. So it is important to have many methodologies.
- Cultures are completely different ways of seeing things so that the same thing is barely recognizable when looked at from another culture's pers[ective. Talk, talk talk is very necessary.
- There are methods based on "systemic consensus" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wR5YXYECOE&feature=youtu.be) and "sociocracy" (http://www.sociocracy.info/) for arriving at reasonable consensus. You can also find more links here: http://commonsabundance.net/wiki/participation/.
- We are often having to make decisions and give input to UN processes within a quite limited time frame.
- we need to also learn to explor the issues external to their group ideals, and if that is an existental issue for a group it cuts off theri ability to work with other views
- People have ideas fixe and find it hard to open to the perspective of other people.
- There's an extremely strong tendency for people to see the world in terms of the information they have been exposed to, and to be exposed to very limited kinds of information
- There's a strong tendendy for people to think the world works by how they "connect the dots" and not have a method for looking for how nature is connecting the dots.. like the way the world *really does* have quite different behavior than the parts people are aware of, and still see as "the world"
- Some of us have very different perspectives, understandings or ideas about how nature works or is connecting the dots. So, it is hard at least for me to hear someone claim that there is a particular way it works – when I might disagree.
- I have a problem with the above (re Appreciative Inquiry), given that what some people claim to be true seems to be diametrically opposed to what we or others are wanting to achieve. For example, Reagan called the SMX missile system "The Peacekeeper". They claim that US domination and repeated attacks on other countries will lead to world peace. So, some peoples repeatedly utter un-truths and it does not help to blindly inquire into or build on such obfuscations. Of course, if somebody is saying an untruth, one also has to call them out on that…
- Be creative, thinking of how different kinds of communities would need to work together in improving their environment as a whole system of all its interacting parts…
- list other ideal purposes for intervention
- develop and agree on how we will resolve or deal with differences of opinion when either someone or a couple of us have a strong opinion about what the others are wanting to recommend or support
- having a diversity of views is thought of a problem in advocacy groups, but that keeps them from learning how their views may have become mistaken, as the world changes or more of how things really work is discovered. I don't think that diversity of views is the problem but more so differences of understanding that are sometimes rather contradictory in approach or nature or on what the most effective strategies might be for responding to any particular problem.So in a globalizing world we must learn to embrace different points of view. We are not there yet. We must still practice for we have never yet had a global world.
- yes, especially so if it seems to contradict common popular assumptions, though often IF it is truthful, it's not a contradiction but a path to broadening an ideal that just didn't include everything going on before.
- discuss what to do when someone makes definitive claims that someone else doesn't necessarily agree with or support
- Bahai? website: www.bahai.org/ The consultation process they follow in their discussions.They have groups of 9 or more around the world. These communicate with other regional groups and so on untl they get to their Greater Council who then formulate their vision based on what the Bahais in 105 countries/territories have said. That then is passed down the pyramid til it reaches the bottom and so the Baha'is who believe in unity as their religion bring about religion among their own members.
- Appreciative inquiry
- Sociocracy method – has some similarities to Bahai method (I just looked at their website). They go around the circle twice with each person stating and explaining their opinion – in the second round, they get a chance to revise their thoughts based on what was said inthe first round. Third round involves voting – but there is possibility of a person objecting (with rationale) if he/she thinks the proposed decision goes against fundamental values of the group. This case is rarely suppose to occur, but if it does, there can be no decision until the group comes together again to discuss it again.
- Systemic consensusing – it's a method for taking votes when there are more than two different options, and you want to establish which option generates the least resistance – i.e., it yields a decision that everyone can live with. It avoids polarizing a group of people.
- The problem with this process is that we often have to make decisions very quickly. and do so at some risk if the community is unable to share their understanding of the environement the group is working witin.
- How can we deal with the emotional hurts and frustrations that have already arisen within our group.
- The main gaps that seem to turn up appear to me to be due to not distinguishing betwen the "internal dialogs" and the "external dialogs", so think the learning methods that focus on that, System Bridging problem… like the 3Steps method itself…
- Many people are not aware of their inner process. In my own case it took
- arrange the ideas in a flow so that people can see the relationship between the ideas that came up and the ideas flow from one another. This way it makes sense and people can more easily integrate it into their thinking.
- Make a commitment to write a response to the work done
- come back after the discussion and clean up your notes and ideas, to be a record of the issues discussed
- highlight topics that seem like important starting points for it further
- and make note of related links and opportunities for networking
- If the group is to write a report,
- highlight things to include in it
- – list other closing objectives
- Deciding what other ways this process might be used, and who else might want to try facilitating a trial session.
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